Recognition and The Derbhfine
order for the Clan Duncan Society to have a chief and clan officially
recognised by The Court of
the Lord Lyon, Scotland there are certain criteria that we need to meet;
a.) Find a Duncan with a
proven genealogical paper chase back to the 3rd Duncan Chief, around 1392, a
near impossible task.
Create a derbhfine, which would be the most likely scenario. A Derbhfine
is a meeting of 9 or more Scottish Duncan armigers (a person who has a Grant
of a Coat of Arms (Scotland) or Duncans who have significant Land owners in
Scotland. They would in the first instance elect a Commander of the Clan.
This Commander after a period of time would then be considered by the Lord
Lyon to be Chief of the Clan. See
Court Guidelines for the holding of a derbhfine meeting for more
c.) Clan Roll-Call and
Society Membership. The 'Clan Roll-Call' are
those Duncans and spelling variants who support the creation of an
independent clan with their own clan chief. 'Clan
Society Membership' are those members who support the Society
financially, become officers of the Society, promote the Society Nationally
and Internationally and generally work towards the goals laid down in the
Heraldry plays an important
role in the formation a Clan and we encourage
Duncans and those with alternative spellings to petition Lord Lyon for a
Grant of Arms. Obtaining a grant of arms not only helps the Clan Society but
on a personal level writes you and your heirs into the history of Scotland.
When a grant, or matriculation, of Arms is obtained, an illuminated
parchment, narrating the pedigree as proved, is supplied to the Petitioner,
and a duplicate is recorded in the
Public Register of All
Arms and Bearings in Scotland.
To petition for a Scottish
Coat of Arms you do not need to be domiciled in Scotland but you have to
come under the Court of the Lord Lyon's jurisdiction; please see
Acquisition of Grant and Matriculation of
Scottish Arms for non British Subjects.
The Clan Duncan Society can
assist members with the process of petitioning for a grant of arms, arms
design and the necessary documentation required for presentation of the
petition to Lord Lyon King of Arms for his consideration. Help in the
process can be obtained either through the society
forum, or directly by contacting the society.
Alternatively you could gain help via
The Society of
Scottish Armigers (North America),
Society of Scotland or contact the
Court of the Lord Lyon
direct by letter or phone.
History and The Court of
the Lord Lyon.
The Court of the Lord Lyon
is the heraldic authority for Scotland. It deals with all matters relating
to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public
Registers of Arms and Genealogies. The Lord Lyon King of Arms is also
responsible for State Ceremonial in Scotland.
The office of Lyon King of
Arms dates from the 14th century. The earliest official record is of the
appointment of a Lyon by King Robert the Bruce in 1318, but the
office may be
older. The position
incorporates the ancient Celtic office of High Sennachie who was responsible
for verifying the genealogy of the King of Scotland and for crowning the
King at his coronation.
The Lord Lyon is the sole
King of Arms in Scotland. He is Head of the Heraldic Executive and the Judge
of the Court of the Lord Lyon which has jurisdiction over all heraldic
business in Scotland.
He is assisted by Her
Majesty's Officers of Arms, all of whom are members of the Royal Household.
There are three senior Officers of Arms (Albany Herald, Rothesay Herald and
Ross Herald) and three junior Officers of Arms (Unicorn Pursuivant, Carrick
Pursuivant and Bute Pursuivant).
The Officers of Arms may be consulted on matters of heraldry and genealogy
by members of the public and may represent their clients before the Lyon
Court. The Officers of Arms also take part in ceremonial occasions.
An Act of the Scottish Parliament of 1592 gave the Lord Lyon responsibility
for prosecuting as a criminal offence anyone who uses unauthorised Arms. The
Court has its own Procurator Fiscal, an independent official prosecutor.
In 1672 a further Act of the Scottish Parliament authorised the creation of
the Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland. This Register is
maintained by the Lyon Clerk and Keeper of the Records and contains an
official copy of every Coat of Arms granted in Scotland since 1672.
What is a clan? - From the Court of the Lord
The clan system is closely
bound up with Scottish heraldry. The best definition of a clan provided by a
heraldic authority is contained in Nisbet's "System of Heraldry", published
in 1722: ‘A social group consisting of an aggregate of distinct erected
families actually descended, or accepting themselves as descendants of a
common ancestor, and which has been received by the Sovereign through its
Supreme Officer of Honour, the Lord Lyon, as an honourable community whereof
all of the members on establishing right to, or receiving fresh grants of,
personal hereditary nobility will be awarded arms as determinate or
indeterminate cadets both as may be of the chief family of the clan.’
A clan is therefore a community which is both distinguished by heraldry and
recognised by the Sovereign. At the head of this honourable community is the
chief. He is the only person entitled to display the undifferenced shield of
Arms, ie without any marks of dependency upon any other noble house.
Chiefship is a title of honour and dignity within the nobility of Scotland.
Any claimant to such a title must establish, to the satisfaction of the Lord
Lyon representing the Sovereign, that he or she is entitled to the
undifferenced arms of the community over which they seek to preside. It is
the determining of chiefship which is among the Lyon Court's central work.
Many of the cases which have come before the Lyon Court in the last 50 years
have related to the chiefships of clans. There are now about 140 clans that
have chiefs recognised by the Lord Lyon.
A clan or family. which has a recognised chief or head confers noble status
on the clan or family which gives it a legally recognised status and a
corporate identity. A family or name group which has no recognised chief has
no official position under the law of Scotland.
Court Guidelines for the holding of a derbhfine meeting
There are generally five circumstances in which a meeting of the derbhfine
might take place.
(1) Where the appointment of a Clan Commander is sought.
(2) Where a blood link to a past Chief is very likely but is not
conclusively proved and it is wished to propose a particular person to be
confirmed as Chief.
(3) Where the main line of descent from a past Chief has died out and it is
wished to confirm the Representer of another line as Chief.
(4) Where no identifiable descendant from the last known Chief can be found
and it is wished to propose a particular person to be confirmed as Chief
(5) Where a "clan" which has never had a Chief seeks the appointment of a
Various factors need to be considered in relation to each of these. In the
case of (1) the genealogy of the applicant is not particularly relevant.
What is important is that the applicant has the support of the clan.
In the case of (2) and (3) it is more likely that there will not be a
derbhfine but that Lyon will be asked to confirm the applicant as Chief for
aught yet seen, but the clan may wish the derbhfine to meet. It is important
that there should be no known likelihood of a competing claim.
In the cases of (2), (3) and (4) it is important that there should be
general support from the members of the clan and also that sufficient time
has been allowed for any competing claims to emerge and to be dealt with.
In the case of (5) there is also the question of whether the group should be
accorded the status of a clan.
Two factors have applied in the past. Firstly there has been a rule of thumb
that a 20 year period should elapse between the appointment of a Commander
and the meeting of the derbhfine to consider a proposal for a Chief.
Secondly the traditional function of a meeting of the derbhfine is a forum
to discuss what to do rather than to consider a specific proposal. Both of
these factors require further consideration.
The 20 year period between the appointment of a Commander and a proposal for
Chief has not always been applied in the past but has been frequently
referred to in discussions with applicants. Many existing Commanders
understand it to apply to them. Twenty years seems a very long time in an
age of rapid communication. Five years is probably too short to allow a
Commander to establish himself, get an organisation going, make himself
known to clan members worldwide and allow clan members to judge whether the
Commander is the right person for the job. But 10 years should be sufficient
time for all this to happen. Twenty years seems unreasonably long.
It will be important, if an application is made for a Commander to be
considered for Chief, to know what activities the Commander has undertaken
since his appointment and whether there is any dissatisfaction with him as
well as whether any alternative candidate may have emerged. In judging
whether the members of the clan are satisfied it will be important to bear
in mind that in a number of cases the Commander may have pushed himself
forward and may have discouraged other candidates from coming forward as
The traditional role of a meeting of the derbhfine as a forum for general
discussion is probably now out of date. At a time when most clan members
would have been in Scotland, would have known a large proportion of their
kinsmen and would have found it relatively easy to meet together, it made
sense to consider calling the principal men in a clan together for a general
discussion. But now that clan members are scattered all over the world,
exist often in substantial numbers and know only relatively few of their
kinsmen, it is difficult for members of the derbhfine to be confident that
they know the wishes of the clan members in general. It is also unreasonable
to expect people to travel from distant parts of the world to a clan meeting
without their being given a clear idea of why they are being asked to attend
and it is desirable for those who are unable to attend to be able to make
their views known. It therefore seems sensible for the role of a meeting of
the derbhfine to change to one which has a specific clear purpose and also
for a means to be provided for those unable to attend to make known their
Procedure to be followed in future
(1) In future there will normally be a minimum period of 10 years between
the appointment of a
Commander and an application for a person to be considered for Chief. A
Commander will normally be appointed for a 5 year period and re-appointment
for a further 5 years will be considered by Lyon without any further
derbhfine being required. Where a 20 year period has been either set down or
advised in the past, this will no longer apply.
(2) The following rules must be observed in the conduct of any meeting of
the derbhfine. These are designed to ensure that members of a clan generally
are aware of what is proposed and have an opportunity to make their views
(i) One of HM Officers of Arms, or a person approved by Lyon, must be
appointed to supervise the meeting of the derbhfine. This must be arranged
before any notice under (iv) below. The fee charged by the supervising
officer will be a matter for the clan.
(ii) The supervising officer's role is to act as an impartial Chairman and
to make an objective report to Lyon.
(iii) The members of the derbhfine will be as provided for in Lyon's 1992
Rules a copy of which is annexed. However these new Rules will also provide
a means whereby non-armigerous and non-landed clan members can express their
views. The supervising officer and the derbhfine will be made aware of these
views but the derbhfine will not be bound by them.
(iv) Notice of any meeting of the derbhfine, in a form approved by the
supervising officer, must be given not less than 6 months prior to the date
set for the meeting, in all clan and clan association journals or
newsletters and on any clan or clan association website.
(v) The notice must state the date and place of the meeting and the purpose
for which it is to be held including the name(s) of any candidate(s) to be
proposed for appointment. it must give the name and address of the
supervising officer to whom further enquiries are to be directed.
(vi) A further notice must be given not less than 6 weeks prior to the
meeting by public advertisement in a national newspaper circulating in
Scotland and the same notice must also be posted on the clan and clan
(vii) The notices referred to in (vi) must give details of the arrangements
for views to be submitted by non-armigerous and non-landed clan members. The
supervising officer will require to decide how this is to be done but it
should probably involve a paper containing the name, address and signature
of the sender being sent to the supervising officer. It is recognised that
the collection of views of clan members is not an exact science. It is not
the intention that the supervising officer should have to decide whether a
person who submits a view is or is not a member of the clan. The purpose of
this mechanism is to provide a means for the rank and file to express their
views. The derbhfine and Lyon will have to decide what weight to give to
(viii) At the meeting of the derbhfine the supervising officer will, prior
to any decision being taken, inform the members of the derbhfine of the
-result of any views by non-armigerous and non-landed members which have
been submitted under (vii) above.
(ix) Non-members of the derbhfine may attend and speak but will leave the
meeting before any decisions are taken and members of the derbhfine itself
will be the only people to take part in any decision of the derbhfine.
(x) The report submitted to Lyon by the supervising officer will include
details of the various steps taken under the above procedure and in
particular, in addition to the decision and views of the derbhfine, will
refer to (and if need be comment on) the views of the non-members of the
derbhfine as expressed under (vii). The report will be confidential to Lyon
and should contain such information as the supervising officer regards as
being of importance to Lyon in reaching a decision.
AD HOC DERBHFINE
1. As from 1st May 1992 where a Chiefship or Commandership is to be
determined by means of an ad hoc derbhfine it will be necessary for any
candidate selected and recommended to the Lord Lyon King of Arms to have
been domiciled and habitually resident in Scotland for a period of three
years before such recommendation and submission and he, or she, must be so
domiciled or resident at the time recommendation and submission is made.
2. To avoid any possibility of last minute picking of an ad hoc derbhfine I
have decided that before any person can take part in a derbhfine a Warrant
authorising the preparation of Letters Patent of Arms, or an Interlocutor
authorising Matriculation of Arms, must have been signed in favour of such a
person at least a year and a day before they take part in the derbhfine.
3. It should be borne in mind that membership of the derbhfine shall consist
of those who are in right of a Scottish Coat of Arms (matriculated within
the last three generations to cover the holding of the Armorial Bearings on
apparency), or owning at least a small holding of land outwith a Burgh but
which is not a mere building plot. The owner of the Armorial Bearings, or of
the land, will not require to be domiciled/resident in Scotland.
4. It is emphasised that the Armorial Bearings must be Scottish and that
those with a Scottish surname, but with Arms granted by the English Kings of
Arms, or by the Heraldic Authority of any other State, will not be
5. With regard to those with compound surnames, it is the last name of the
compound surname that will determine the Family or Clan to which the owner
of the compound surname belongs (see Findings in Fact (14) and (15) and
Findings in Law (2) and (3) in the Petition of Sir Hugh Vere Huntly Duff
Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Baronet, 1965 - Scots Law Times - Lyon Court Reports
6. Eldest sons of armigers who have a right to the Arms differenced by a
label of three points may not vote. The position is frequently found where a
tutor or guardian has matriculated Arms for a younger pupil/minor child and
in such circumstances such tutor or guardian will not be in a position to
record a vote on behalf of their child. Keeping in mind the terms and
provisions of 'The Age of legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991' the vote of an
armigerous child will be receivable on that child attaining 16 years of age.
If Armorial Bearings have been matriculated for such a child for a period of
a year and a day before the sixteenth birthday that child will be in a
position to vote on attaining the age of 16 years.
7. Lyon will only receive a nomination following a derbhfine provided that
derbhfine has been supervised by an Officer of Arms or by another person
approved by Lyon who will submit to Lyon a Report on the conduct of the
8. Where a person has been appointed a Commander for a period of time
following a recommendation from an ad hoc derbhfine such a person may be
re-selected under the old regulations. It would seem unreasonable for such
people to have to seek re-submission under the new rules.
© John A. Duncan of Sketraw,